zumbido, vibraciones, Ruido sordo a 3000RPM.

[Rderemoto]

Me pongo a ello a partir de mañana. Iré colgando las cosas por aquí.
Una pregunta. Cómo grabáis las mediciones de la pantalla? Tu has hecho unos vídeos mostrando luis valores instanraneos y yo con el PC no sé ni hacer una foto. Me manejo en el trabajo y en casa con Mac y el PC que llevo en el coche, no me entiende.

[antonio 25th]

y el bimasa como está? cuando aparezca el ruido, prueba a pisar el embrague a ver si el ruido persiste...

[Rderemoto]

y el bimasa como está? cuando aparezca el ruido, prueba a pisar el embrague a ver si el ruido persiste...

Sí piso el embrague, dejo de acelerar y de solicitar par. El ruido desaparece.
El ruido sólo aparece al demandar potencia. A punta de gas, soy capaz de llevarlo sin ruido, pero en cuanto piso, por poco que sea, aparece el zumbido.
Por lo tanto, a ralentí no se aprecia ruido. Circulando a 120 si dejo el coche en punto muerto, desaparece el ruido.
Por lo tanto no creemos que sea de tren rodante. Palieres, discos, ruedas, transmisión, etc.
Sólo es al demandar potencia en un régimen de los 2500 a los 3100. Cuanto más alta es la marcha, más se escucha el ruido. Y sólo en ese margen de RPM. Por debajo de 2500 ahora parece que quiere sonar y por encima de 3100 desaparece u suena sólo el ruido normal de un motor trabajando revolucionado.

[JoeDalton]

Me pongo a ello a partir de mañana. Iré colgando las cosas por aquí.
Una pregunta. Cómo grabáis las mediciones de la pantalla? Tu has hecho unos vídeos mostrando luis valores instanraneos y yo con el PC no sé ni hacer una foto. Me manejo en el trabajo y en casa con Mac y el PC que llevo en el coche, no me entiende.

Hay un software, llamado hypercam Sólo usuarios registrados pueden ver links. Por favor, regístrate en el foro haciendo click AQUI. puedes seleccionar la venana activa, toda la pantalla y grabarlo, luego lo subes a youtube.

No es imprescindible que grabes un video, si generas un log y pegas la tabla, o los resultados en una imagen, o subes el csv a algún sitio, suficiente.

[antonio 25th]

quiere decir que el ruido lo hace solo con la marcha engranada....Echa un vistazo caja de cambios / bimasa...

[JoeDalton]

Sí piso el embrague, dejo de acelerar y de solicitar par. El ruido desaparece.
El ruido sólo aparece al demandar potencia. A punta de gas, soy capaz de llevarlo sin ruido, pero en cuanto piso, por poco que sea, aparece el zumbido.
Por lo tanto, a ralentí no se aprecia ruido. Circulando a 120 si dejo el coche en punto muerto, desaparece el ruido.
Por lo tanto no creemos que sea de tren rodante. Palieres, discos, ruedas, transmisión, etc.
Sólo es al demandar potencia en un régimen de los 2500 a los 3100. Cuanto más alta es la marcha, más se escucha el ruido. Y sólo en ese margen de RPM. Por debajo de 2500 ahora parece que quiere sonar y por encima de 3100 desaparece u suena sólo el ruido normal de un motor trabajando revolucionado.

Supongo que sobre todo es en 4ª, 5ª y 6ª. ¿En tercera a fondo se nota también? supongo que más ligeramente pero algo lo hará.

Por otro lado, ¿notas el motor más rudo que antes? ¿si intentas lanzar el coche desde pocas RPM como para hacer un log, 1200, pisas a fondo, notas vibraciones o cabeceos?

A ver si puedes poner los datos de la diagnosis.

[Rderemoto]

Supongo que sobre todo es en 4ª, 5ª y 6ª. ¿En tercera a fondo se nota también? supongo que más ligeramente pero algo lo hará.

Por otro lado, ¿notas el motor más rudo que antes? ¿si intentas lanzar el coche desde pocas RPM como para hacer un log, 1200, pisas a fondo, notas vibraciones o cabeceos?

A ver si puedes poner los datos de la diagnosis.

El ruido se nota en todas las marchas, pero en 1, 2 y 3 no se aprecia tanto, ya que el propio ruido del motor minimiza el mal.
De hecho, podría decir que en marchas bajas no se nota. Pero en tercera si.
Si acelero como si fuese a hacer un log, el coche responde perfectamente, ni cabeceos ni faltas de potencia. Este coche en aceleración es bastante rudo, o torpón, ya que es el 4 motion y eso le lastra mucho. Y no se sí cabecea porque no veo el motor. Pero si vibra o mejor dicho, zumba.
Cuando digo que el motor cabecea, no me refiero a que tenga fallos de inyeccion, si no que estando parado e intentando salir en primera o marcha atrás, con el capó levantado, se aprecia oscilación del motor. Aunque con el taco nuevo, oscilaba igual qu con el viejo, así que se dejó montado el que tenía.

[Rderemoto]

Hoy he hecho la primera prueba, gasoil del caro con limpia inyectores. Deposito completo con a,nos productos.
El ruido sigue igual.
A ver si saco un rato para un LOG.
Una niña de 2años y su hermana de 20 días, me tienen secuestrado. La verdad es que llevan mucha dedicación.. Y el tiempo que me queda, lo paso con la perra intentando engañarla y que se piense que el garaje cuenta como paseo.

[JoeDalton]

Hoy he hecho la primera prueba, gasoil del caro con limpia inyectores. Deposito completo con a,nos productos.
El ruido sigue igual.
A ver si saco un rato para un LOG.
Una niña de 2años y su hermana de 20 días, me tienen secuestrado. La verdad es que llevan mucha dedicación.. Y el tiempo que me queda, lo paso con la perra intentando engañarla y que se piense que el garaje cuenta como paseo.

Los efectos del limpiainyectores y el gasoil caro no los vas a ver de golpe y no es milagroso, pero sí pueden dar pistas, fijate sobre todo si se mitiga ligeramente.

Cuando puedas, cuelga los resultados, y por el bien de la perra que vea la luz del sol

[Rderemoto]

RESPUESTAS:


- Sucede cuando se demanda par, ¿si pisamos el embrague cuando pasa?
DEJA DE SUCEDER
¿si mantenemos velocidad y desengranamos marcha,
DEJA DE SONAR
habría que tratar de descartar si es grupo motor, o transmisión, o algún elemento mecánico. Revisa también si la vibración se acusa (en menor medida a otros regimenes)
EN OTROS REGIMENES SE NOTA PERO MENOS
. Tienes algún otro síntoma adicional?
NO
arranca mal en frío?
ARRANCA BIEN
en caliente?
ARRANCA BIEN
vibra más en frío?
IGUAL QUE EN CALIENTE
vibra más en caliente?
IGUAL QUE EN FRIO
has probado a echar un limpia inyectores y si se nota mejoría? va mejor con gasoil del caro?
DESPUES DE 300 KM CON GASOIL CARO Y LIMPIAINYECTORES, SIGUE IGUAL, INCLUSO A MENOS VUELTAS(¿SUGESTIÓN?)

Ahora, como comentas que el motor cabecea, yo me inclinaría por el mismo (apostaría por inyección, echate un ojo a esto, síntomas similares: Sólo usuarios registrados pueden ver links. Por favor, regístrate en el foro haciendo click AQUI.)
LEIDO ENTERO
necesitaremos pasar diagnosis:

1. autoscan (ya puestos)HECHO
2. revisar valor de angle syncro, en engine canal 4, campo 4 con temperatura de unos 90º. VARIA DESDE 0.6 A 1.1 Y 1.7
3. valores de canal 13 de inyección, y canal 23 valores BIP, si puedes grabar un log en frío, y en caliente mejor. HECHO
4. revisar el estado del canal 18, durante 1 min, en caliente, no debe cambiar de 0. NO CAMBIA DE 0

También revisaría:PENDIENTE TODO ESTO

• Aire en el circuito de gasoil, con manguera transparente
• Filtro del gasoil, cambiarlo por uno nuevo
• Aforador y bomba del depósito (entiendo que tu modelo lleva, pero no lo se seguro porque no lo he podido mirar).
• Presión que da la tándem con un manómetro.

Si puedes revisa todo lo que pregunto y responde una a una, también vamos a tener que pasar diagnosis, vamos a ver qué sale de ahí cuando tengas los resultados y a ver si podemos dar con ello, yo lo he sufrido y se que es un auténtico martirio, así que trataré de echarte una mano.GRACIAS

SCAN

Monday,16,February,2015,22:46:51:65217
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator
VCDS Version: 12.12.0.0
Data version: 20130910


VIN: WVWZZZ7MZ3V00XXXX License Plate: 0000BXS
Mileage: 227190km-141169mi Repair Order:



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Chassis Type: 7M (7M - VW Sharan (1996 > 2010))
Scan: 25 01 02 03 08 09 15 16 17 18 19 22 29 35 36 37 39 45 55 56
76

VIN: WVWZZZ7MZ3V00XXXX Mileage: 227190km/141169miles
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 25: Immobilizer Labels: 7M3-953-257.lbl
Part No: 7M3 953 257
Component: IMMO 0008
Coding: 00003
Shop #: WSC 00901
VCID: F6E97E98D2397CAE3EF-4A3A
WVWZZZ7MZ3V008634 VWZ1Z0B2162413

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine Labels: 038-906-019-AJM.lbl
Part No: 038 906 019 FC
Component: 1,9l R4 EDC G001SG 1562
Coding: 00002
Shop #: WSC 00020
VCID: 5DBB8134D7CF4FF6DF5-4A3A
WVWZZZ7MZ3V00XXXX VWZ1Z0B2162413

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 X X X

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 1J0-907-37x-ESP-A.lbl
Part No: 7M3 907 379 C
Component: ESP 20 CAN V003
Coding: 18443
Shop #: WSC 00020
VCID: 3D7B21B4378F6FF6BF5-4A3A

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 7M3-907-040.clb
Part No: 7M3 907 040 E
Component: CLIMATRONIC MPV GP 0005
Coding: 00031
Shop #: WSC 00901
VCID: 30650880F0DD929E243-254E

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels: None
Part No: 7M3 962 258 S
Component: Multifunkt.Einh 0001
Coding: 16385
Shop #: WSC 00020
VCID: 4A917A687641C84E0A7-5000

1 Fault Found:
01134 - Alarm Horn (H12)
49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent

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Address 15: Airbags Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
Part No: 1C0 909 605
Component: 1D AIRBAG VW51 0L 0004
Coding: 12612
Shop #: WSC 00020
VCID: E1C33DC46BB7EB167BD-5000

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 1J0-907-487-A.lbl
Part No: 1J0 907 487 B
Component: Lenkradelektronik 0002
Coding: 00008
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: 30650880F0DD929E243-50E6

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments Labels: 7Mx-920-xxx-17.lbl
Part No: 7M3 920 820 H
Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDO V57
Coding: 13111
Shop #: WSC 00186
VCID: 346D049004C5AEBE40B-5072

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 18: Aux. Heat Labels: 7M3-815-071.clb
Part No: 7M3 815 071
Component: HEIZG. B/D5W 0001
VCID: EDDB51F4A76FBF76CF5-50E6

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
Part No: 6N0 909 901
Component: Gateway K<->CAN 0001
Coding: 00006
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: F0E54880B05D529EE43-5000

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 22: AWD Labels: 02D-900-554.lbl
Part No: 02D 900 554 C
Component: HALDEX LSC ECC 0010
VCID: 2045F8C0A03D221EB43-49D8

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 29: Left Light Labels: 7M3-907-391-29.lbl
Part No: 7M3 907 391
Component: EVG GDL + AutoLWR 0003
Coding: 00005
Shop #: WSC 00020
VCID: F4ED4490C4456EBE00B-4B00

1 Fault Found:
01539 - Headlights Not Adjusted
35-00 - -

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 39: Right Light Labels: 7M3-907-391-39.lbl
Part No: 7M3 907 391
Component: EVG GDL + AutoLWR 0003
Coding: 00005
Shop #: WSC 00020
VCID: F4ED4490C4456EBE00B-4B00

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 56: Radio Labels: 1J0-035-18x-56.lbl
Part No: 1J0 035 186 E
Component: Radio BNO 0006
Coding: 00403
Shop #: WSC 00020
VCID: 2757E3DCC513D526F59-49D8

2 Faults Found:
00852 - Loudspeaker(s); Front
36-10 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
00853 - Loudspeaker(s); Rear
36-10 - Open Circuit - Intermittent

End ---------------------------------------------------------------------


A ver si soy capaz de colgar los LOGs con el MAC.
Espero que sepais leer los datos.

Monday,16,February,2015,22:58:28:65217,VCDS Version: Release 12.12.0,Data version: 20130910
038 906 019 FC,,1.9l R4 EDC G001SG 1562,
,Group A:,'018,,,,Group B:,'004,,,,Group C:,'005
,,Cyl 1,Cyl 2,Cyl 3,Cyl 4,,Engine speed,Spec start of inj.,Spec inj. duration,Synchro. angle,,Engine speed,Start inj,Start synchro.,Coolant temp
,TIME,0,0,0,0,TIME,820-900,1BTDC-2ATDC,5-7∞Ck.,-3..+3∞Ck.,TIME,rpm,quantity,,∞C
Marker,STAMP,,,,,STAMP, /min, ∞BTDC,∞KW,∞KW,STAMP, /min, mg/str,,∞C
,10.98,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,11.36,903,-0.6,5.6,1.1,11.72,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,12.08,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,12.44,903,-0.6,5.6,1.1,12.80,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,13.16,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,13.52,903,-0.6,5.6,1.1,13.88,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,14.26,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,14.64,903,-0.6,5.6,1.7,15.00,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,15.36,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,15.72,903,-0.6,5.6,1.7,16.08,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,16.44,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,16.80,903,-0.6,5.6,1.1,17.17,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,17.54,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,17.92,903,-0.6,5.1,1.1,18.30,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,18.66,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,19.02,903,-0.6,5.6,1.7,19.38,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,19.74,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,20.10,903,-0.6,5.6,1.7,20.48,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,20.86,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,21.22,903,-0.6,5.6,1.1,21.58,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,21.94,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,22.30,903,-0.6,5.1,1.1,22.66,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,23.02,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,23.38,903,-0.6,5.1,1.1,23.74,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,24.10,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,24.48,903,-0.6,5.6,1.7,24.86,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,25.22,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,25.58,903,-0.6,5.6,1.1,25.94,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,26.30,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,26.66,903,-0.6,5.6,1.1,27.02,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,27.38,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,27.74,903,-0.6,5.6,1.1,28.10,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,28.48,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,28.86,903,-0.6,5.6,1.7,29.22,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,29.58,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,29.94,903,-0.6,5.6,1.7,30.30,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,30.66,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,31.02,903,-0.6,5.6,1.1,31.38,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,31.74,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,32.12,903,-0.6,5.6,1.1,32.50,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,32.86,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,33.22,903,-0.6,5.1,0.6,33.58,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,33.94,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,34.30,903,-0.6,5.6,1.7,34.66,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,35.02,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,35.38,903,-0.6,5.6,1.7,35.74,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,36.12,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,36.50,903,-0.6,5.6,1.1,36.86,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,37.22,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,37.58,903,-0.6,5.1,1.1,37.94,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,38.30,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,38.66,903,-0.6,5.1,1.1,39.02,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,39.38,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,39.74,903,-0.6,5.6,0.6,40.12,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,40.50,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,40.86,903,-0.6,5.6,1.1,41.22,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,41.58,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,41.94,903,-0.6,5.6,1.1,42.30,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,42.66,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,43.02,903,-0.6,5.6,1.1,43.38,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,43.74,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,44.10,903,-0.6,5.1,1.1,44.46,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,44.84,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,45.22,903,-0.6,5.6,1.7,45.58,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,45.94,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,46.30,903,-0.6,5.6,1.1,46.66,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,47.02,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,47.38,903,-0.6,5.6,1.1,47.74,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,48.10,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,48.46,903,-0.6,5.6,1.1,48.84,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,49.22,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,49.58,903,-0.6,5.6,1.7,49.94,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,50.30,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,50.66,903,-0.6,5.6,1.7,51.02,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,51.38,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,51.74,903,-0.6,5.6,1.1,52.10,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,52.48,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,52.86,903,-0.6,5.1,1.1,53.22,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,53.58,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,53.94,903,-0.6,5.1,1.1,54.30,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,54.66,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,55.02,903,-0.6,5.6,1.1,55.38,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,55.74,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,56.10,903,-0.6,5.6,1.7,56.48,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,56.86,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,57.22,903,-0.6,5.6,1.1,57.58,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,57.94,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,58.30,903,-0.6,5.6,1.1,58.66,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,59.02,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,59.38,903,-0.6,5.1,1.1,59.74,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,60.10,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,60.48,903,-0.6,5.6,1.7,60.86,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,61.22,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,61.58,903,-0.6,5.6,1.1,61.94,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,62.30,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,62.66,903,-0.6,5.6,1.1,63.02,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,63.38,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,63.74,903,-0.6,5.6,1.1,64.12,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,64.50,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,64.86,903,-0.6,5.6,1.7,65.22,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,65.58,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,65.94,903,-0.6,5.6,1.7,66.30,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,66.71,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,67.11,903,-0.6,5.1,1.1,67.48,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,67.86,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,68.22,903,-0.6,5.6,1.1,68.58,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,68.95,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,69.32,903,-0.6,5.6,1.1,69.70,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,70.08,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,70.44,903,-0.6,5.6,1.7,70.80,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,71.16,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,71.54,903,-0.6,5.6,1.1,71.92,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,72.28,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,72.64,903,-0.6,5.6,1.1,73.00,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,73.36,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,73.72,903,-0.6,5.1,1.1,74.08,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,74.44,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,74.80,903,-0.6,5.1,0.6,75.16,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
,75.54,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,75.92,903,-0.6,5.6,1.1,76.28,903,14.5,1.0,89.1
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