gori (13/07/2017)
Hablas que el mecánico te a comprobado la bomba tándem, hasta aquí correcto. Pero ya pasaste por el primer mecánico que te cambio el bimasa, todos los soportes del motor, las transmisiones, y te cambia o repara los inyectores, porque según su criterio, los 4 goteaban. Te hace gastar 3.000€ en reparaciones para seguir con el coche igual. Y después de cambiar todo lo anterior, y de dejarte 3.000€ te dice que podría ser un desfase en la caja de cambios.
De este taller huyes, y comentas que te han recomendado un mecánico que a tu juicio, crees que controla bastante del tema. Y su primera medida es meter diagnosis, y comprobar las transmisiones (que el anterior mecánico según dices, te puso nuevas) y presión de inyectores circulando. Al poco te dice que un inyector se sale de rango pero que recupera, cuando el anterior mecánico al parecer te repara o cambia los 4 inyectores, y que si quieres que cambie los 4 inyectores de otro motor que tiene por ahí, y prueba a ver si es de eso.
Lo cuál, se ve que no tiene ni idea y juega a ver si da con el problema, cambiando piezas igual que el anterior mecánico. Después te dice que cuando vengas de vacaciones, quiere medir las levas y la compresión de los cilindros, por probar más que nada, porque dar con el problema, se ve que todavía no da con ello. Y te fías de este mecánico después de todo esto? en serio?? también te fías de que el anterior mecánico te comprobase la presión del aforador y que después de gastarte 3.000€ te dejase todo bien hecho y puesto??
Ya te se te dijo (multitud de veces) que te hicieras con un Vag-Com, que si de verdad quieres arreglar ese coche, necesitas uno si o si. También deberías hacerte con un manómetro, y ser tú quién mida las presiones de aforador y bomba tándem, porque como te fíes de los 2 "mecánicos" que han tocado ese coche, vas listo tío..!!! y lo peor no es eso, si no saber si todo lo cambiado o reparado por el anterior chapuzas, se hizo bien, que no las tengo todas conmigo. Buena papeleta tiene compañero, reza bien, porque te hará falta..
Última edición por codi31; 13/07/2017 a las 19:38
Dedicado a todos aquellos que decidieron conducir un mito, un Golf. A todos ellos decirles: SOMOS COJONUDOS !!
gori (13/07/2017)
Pues codi31, el vagcom esta en camino, y me parece que voy a pedir un juego de vasos zxn y voy ha hacer lo siguiente mientras llegue el vagcom:
1.- Sacar aforador y limpiar a conciencia.
2.- Limpiar el deposito.
3.- Limpiar los conductos desde el filtro al aforador con aire comprimido.
Esto es gratis (menos las puntas xzn).
Si esto no sirve de nada en llegar el vagcom ya vemos.
Si no vemos nada en vagcom tendré que ir a la casa.
No creo que hayan montado nada mal, simplemente no dan con el problema.
Con el bimasa y los soportes se noto mejoría (menos brusquedad). Con las transmisiones no se noto ninguna mejoría y con los inyectores tampoco. Y el problema va empeorando y cada vez aparecen con mas facilidad.
El vagcom llegara a mediados de agosto y el aforador y el deposito lo voy a ver yo pero tengo que gastar un poco el gasoil que llevo 50l en el deposito.
Última edición por sergio151179; 14/07/2017 a las 12:16
Sacando aforador, y limpiando depósito + manguitos de conducción de combustible, mejore o no mejore el problema, bien le va a sentar, eso seguro. Comenta el resultado al acabar.
P.D: Si el Vag-Com lo hubieses pillado donde te dije, ya lo tendrías..
Última edición por codi31; 14/07/2017 a las 19:23
Dedicado a todos aquellos que decidieron conducir un mito, un Golf. A todos ellos decirles: SOMOS COJONUDOS !!
hola melon feliz,soy de sagunto y estoy con un problema en mi coche y ningun taller me lo consigue acertar ya que creo que no tienen ni vagcom estoy mirandome un vagcom para comprarme.
Si me hicieses el favor de meterle el vagcom a mi coche te lo agradeceria mucho,y ya de paso te invito almorzar jejeje a ver si le sacamos la pega.
Un saludo espero respuesta, tengo el tema abierto en mecanica se llama necesito ayuda por si quieres echarle un vistazo.
Ya me ha llegado el VAGCOM y he hecho unas capturas, haber que podéis decirme.
El aforador aun no le he metido mano.
El AutoScan:
Y un log de los canales 013, 018 y 023:Código:VCDS Version: Release 12.12.0 Data version: 20130910 Thursday,20,July,2017,17:50:12:62939 Chassis Type: 5P (1K0) Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 52 56 62 72 VIN: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Mileage: 162110km/100730miles 00-Steering Angle Sensor -- Status: OK 0000 01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000 03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000 08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000 09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000 15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000 16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000 17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000 19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000 25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000 42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: Malfunction 0010 44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000 46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000 52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: Malfunction 0010 56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000 62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000 72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 01: Engine Labels: 03G-906-016-BKC.lbl Part No SW: 03G 906 021 LN HW: 03G 906 021 AN Component: R4 1,9L EDC G000SG 9246 Revision: --H05--- Serial number: SEZ7Z0F3625425 Coding: 0050071 Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200 VCID: 76E300530132E6AEBEF-8023 No fault code found. Readiness: 0 0 0 0 1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK70.lbl Part No: 1K0 907 379 P Component: ASR FRONT MK70 0105 Coding: 0000641 Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200 VCID: 3F8DA5776E8867E6AD9-806A No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 1K0-820-047.lbl Part No: 5P0 820 047 K Component: Climatic PQ35 012 0505 Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000 VCID: 3561C75F5CB4ADB6775-8060 No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels: 3C0-937-049-23-H.lbl Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 E HW: 3C0 937 049 E Component: Bordnetz-SG H37 1002 Coding: 01880F2F00041000001800000000000000017F075C Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200 VCID: 2B55E1278AF0EB46111-807E Subsystem 1 - Part No: 5P0 955 119 B Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB Component: Wischer SE359 012 0402 Coding: 00056272 Shop #: WSC 06402 No Faults Found or DTCs not supported by controller or a communication error occurred ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 15: Airbags Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 T HW: 1K0 909 605 T Component: S7 AIRBAG VW8 020 2300 Revision: 05020000 Serial number: 0038PD0PRDG1 Coding: 0021303 Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200 VCID: 3D71DF7F648475F6BF5-8068 Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332MSME12591D1FI Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342MSME13340133X Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6351HSME0B120D600 Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6361HSME0B121D040 No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 BC HW: 1K0 953 549 BC Component: Lenks�ulenmodul 035 0070 Coding: 0000042 Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200 VCID: 74E73A5B174EF4BE80B-8021 No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 17: Instruments Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl Part No: 5P0 920 823 C Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VO3 0422 Coding: 0002101 Shop #: WSC 03370 224 81846 VCID: 306FF64BA3D6889E243-8065 No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 1K0-907-530-V2.clb Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 H HW: 1K0 907 951 Component: J533__Gateway H12 0150 Revision: H12 Serial number: 310010682487B8 Coding: 3D3F034007002202 Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200 VCID: 2C57E23B8FFEEC7E18B-8079 No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 25: Immobilizer Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb Part No: 5P0 920 823 C Component: IMMO VO3 0422 Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000 VCID: 306FF64BA3D6889E243-8065 No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 42: Door Elect, Driver Labels: 1K0-959-701-MAX3.lbl Part No SW: 1T0 959 701 G HW: 1K0 959 793 M Component: J386 TUER-SG FT 1125 Revision: 11006001 Serial number: 00000509368703 Coding: 0000176 Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200 VCID: 3B75D1677A907BC6811-806E 3 Faults Found: 01552 - Motor for Central Locking; Drivers Door (V56); Lock 012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00101100 Fault Priority: 3 Fault Frequency: 254 Reset counter: 24 Mileage: 124121 km Time Indication: 0 00928 - Locking Module for Central Locking; Front Driver Side (F220) 008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00101000 Fault Priority: 3 Fault Frequency: 254 Reset counter: 24 Mileage: 119208 km Time Indication: 0 00943 - Heated Exterior Mirror; Driver Side (Z4) 012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00101100 Fault Priority: 4 Fault Frequency: 2 Reset counter: 16 Mileage: 161981 km Time Indication: 0 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 44: Steering Assist Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb Part No: 1K1 909 144 L Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.077 H07 1806 Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200 VCID: 3467FA5B57CEB4BE40B-8061 No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 1K0-959-433-MAX.clb Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 BT HW: 1K0 959 433 BT Component: KSG PQ35 G2 020 0202 Revision: 00020000 Serial number: 00000000000000 Coding: 198000005183CC7F0006050560084F01207C80 Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200 VCID: 8305E987C2E04306091-80D6 Subsystem 1 - Component: Sounder n.mounted Subsystem 2 - Component: NGS n.mounted Subsystem 3 - Component: IRUE n.mounted No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. Labels: 1K0-959-702-MAX3.lbl Part No SW: 1T0 959 702 G HW: 1K0 959 792 M Component: J387 TUER-SG BT 1125 Revision: 11006001 Serial number: 00000539168621 Coding: 0000176 Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200 VCID: 3C77D27B7F9E7CFE88B-8069 1 Fault Found: 00944 - Heated Exterior Mirror; Passenger Side (Z5) 012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00101100 Fault Priority: 4 Fault Frequency: 1 Reset counter: 16 Mileage: 161981 km Time Indication: 0 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 56: Radio Labels: 1K0-035-1xx-56.lbl Part No: 5P1 035 186 B Component: Radio BVX 0006 Coding: 0020454 Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200 VCID: 2F6DF537BEE897663D9-807A No Faults Found or DTCs not supported by controller or a communication error occurred ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 62: Door, Rear Left Labels: 1K0-959-703-GEN3.lbl Part No SW: 1K0 959 703 M HW: 1K0 959 795 G Component: J388 TUER-SG HL 1110 Revision: 11005001 Serial number: 00000000576486 Coding: 0000144 Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200 VCID: 3A7BD46375AA42CE9A7-806F No fault code found. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address 72: Door, Rear Right Labels: 1K0-959-704-GEN3.lbl Part No SW: 1K0 959 704 M HW: 1K0 959 794 G Component: J389 TUER-SG HR 1110 Revision: 11005001 Serial number: 00000000581418 Coding: 0000144 Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200 VCID: 3B75D1677A907BC6811-806E No fault code found. 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Los kilómetros al parecer que si son reales, la ECU marca unos 600km mas que el marcador.Código:Thursday,20,July,2017,18:12:40:62939,VCDS Version: Release 12.12.0,Data version: 20130910 03G 906 021 LN,,R4 1.9L EDC G000SG 9246, ,Group A:,'013,,,,Group B:,'018,,,,Group C:,'023 ,,Injection Quantity,Injection Quantity,Injection Quantity,Injection Quantity,,Injector Status,Injector Status,Injector Status,Injector Status,,Switch Time Deviat.,Switch Time Deviat.,Switch Time Deviat.,Switch Time Deviat. ,TIME,Deviation Cyl. 1,Deviation Cyl. 2,Deviation Cyl. 3,Deviation Cyl. 4,TIME,Cylinder 1,Cylinder 2,Cylinder 3,Cylinder 4,TIME,Cylinder 1,Cylinder 2,Cylinder 3,Cylinder 4 Marker,STAMP, mg/str, mg/str, mg/str, mg/str,STAMP,,,,,STAMP,,,, ,0.20,-0.85,0.07,0.59,0.19,0.36,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.02,-1.0,-33.0,-18.0,-3.0 ,0.72,-0.87,0.07,0.59,0.19,0.89,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.53,-2.0,-32.0,-20.0,0.0 ,1.25,-0.87,0.05,0.59,0.19,1.42,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,1.07,-1.0,-31.0,-20.0,-1.0 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Última edición por sergio151179; 20/07/2017 a las 20:35
Con respecto a las averías registradas en el AutoScan, ninguna de ellas afectan a tu problema. Prueba a borrarlas y comprueba si se vuelven a registrar de nuevo. Pero como digo, no afectan a tu problema con los tirones, el humo (etc..)
Con respecto a la captura de los canales del motor, veo todos los valores bien, exceptuando el valor del Angle-Synchro (canal 004 campo 4) y los valores del canal 023, que indican el estado de electro-válvula de cada inyector (un campo un inyector).
Si el canal 023 muestra valores positivos (por ejemplo 22, sin signo) es que la presión de combustible es correcta, pero si el valor de los 4 campos es negativo, es falta de presión en los inyectores, y como se puede ver en el LOG del canal 023, el campo 2 se va muy a negativo. Por tanto quién comprobó la bomba tándem, o no lo hizo, o no tenía ni idea pajolera idea de hacerlo, porque se ve claramente en los datos.
Te aconsejo hacer justo lo que decías post atras que ibas a hacer. Saca el aforador, lo limpias, y de paso limpia el depósito y manguitos de conducción de combustible. Y después hazte con un manómetro, debe de tener mangueras de sección 8, grifos de paso, y un racor adecuado, que cuando tengas el manómetro ya te diremos cual es. Mira esto:
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Está presión debe de dar a 4.000 vueltas, y a 1.500 vueltas mínimo 4 kilos. Sin descartar la bomba tándem y aforador no puedes seguir avanzando compañero. También comenta si el valor del Angle-Synchro es fijo u oscila a ralentí, y si oscila, comenta a qué valores. Salu2
Última edición por codi31; 21/07/2017 a las 11:45
Dedicado a todos aquellos que decidieron conducir un mito, un Golf. A todos ellos decirles: SOMOS COJONUDOS !!
El Angle Syncro imagino que es el canal 4 campo 4, el que pone Torsion Value, si es así no varia nada, es completamente estable.
Yo creo que deberías de hacer una lista de lo que se a hecho y lo que no. Ya que llevas 8 paginas de tema y quizás a la gente le de "pereza" leérselo todo.
En estas caracolas solo se escucharan tsunamis
I don't care what it was designed to do. I care about what it can do
Canal 004 campo 4 (torsion value) es el valor del Angle-Synchro. Y deberías bajarlo un poco. Yo lo pondría sobre -1.0 o incluso para probar, a +1.0 y observaba el comportamiento del coche. Te hace falta un manómetro para comprobar tándem y aforador, y limpiar lo que se te a dicho.
Dedicado a todos aquellos que decidieron conducir un mito, un Golf. A todos ellos decirles: SOMOS COJONUDOS !!
gjimenez (04/08/2017)
Resumo el problema y lo que se ha realizado.
El problema es tirones +o- entre 2000 y 3000 rpm, pero cada vez lo hace antes y a partir de 3000 se transforman en mucho humo. Estos tirones dependen de de la carga del motor y del acelerador, si va en llano y se pisa poco el acelerador son suaves, si se pisa mas el acelerador son mas fuertes.
Trabajos realizados:
Primer mecánico:
- Bimasa y embrague, ligera mejoría.
- Soportes de motor, mejoría importante en cuanto a brusquedad de los tirones.
- Transmisiones de intercambio, sin mejoría.
- Reparación de los 4 inyectores, ninguna mejoría (según el bombero goteaban los cuatro).
Sugiere desfase en caja de cambios.
Importe pagado solo el bimasa 1000€.
Segundo mecánico:
- Cambio de filtro de combustible, ninguna mejoría (el filtro estaba muy sucio, pero el color era marrón, no se aprecia aceite ni partículas solidas)
- Comprobación de presión de la tándem, según el mecánico bien de presión.
- Diagnosis, dice que un inyector se sale de rango pero recupera.
Sugiere cambiar los cuatro inyectores, obviamente le digo que no.
Pues eso es todo.